From: Yoz Grahame Date: 16:59 on 16 Mar 2004 Subject: Visio I know I don't really need to say much more than "Visio", but we only got acquainted a couple of weeks back and I really did think that we were going to be, if not friends, then at least mutually agreeable to a beneficial and productive working arragement, and not that I would be playing BLOODY MOUSE-CLICK RUSSIAN ROULETTE EVERY TIME I TRY AND DO SOMETHING AS WILD AND DARING AS TRYING TO SELECT A SHAPE ON THE PAGE. You have a shape on the page, right, and it's sitting atop a bunch of other, larger shapes, and you just want to select it. That's all. You don't want to select any of the ones underneath, or any of the ones to the left, or whatever. Nor do you want to edit the text of the shape, because if you did YOU'D BE USING THE BLOODY TEXT TOOL NOT THE POINTER BECAUSE IT'S WHAT THE TEXT TOOL IS FOR AND SO IF YOU HIT SOMETHING WITH THE POINTER YOU DON'T EXPECT TO BE FUCKING EDITING TEXT, DO YOU? But the crux of the matter is that, if you do want to select that shape, it takes N clicks, with N being *a different value every single time*. So you just keep clicking and clicking and eventually you select it but you're into the rhythm of clicking and you do one too many and now you're selecting the wrong thing again. So you have to start over. Nnnnnnggggg. Plus, a whole load of other rants about the uselessness of the Windows UI template set (a couple of the widgets are ghostable, but only a couple, so if you want a whole set of widgets ghosted you're SOL because only a third of them can be), the thing never remembering what I want my text defaults to be, et bloody cetera. Is there a better way of mocking up Windows UI nice and fast without going slowly insane? Anyone? -- Yoz
From: peter (Peter da Silva) Date: 17:04 on 16 Mar 2004 Subject: Re: Visio > Is there a better way of mocking up Windows UI nice and fast without > going slowly insane? Anyone? Tcl/Tk using native widgets, so long as you don't have a huge variety of widgets you want to use?
From: Yoz Grahame Date: 17:14 on 16 Mar 2004 Subject: Re: Visio Peter da Silva wrote: >>Is there a better way of mocking up Windows UI nice and fast without >>going slowly insane? Anyone? > > > Tcl/Tk using native widgets, so long as you don't have a huge variety of > widgets you want to use? I was hoping to be able to do this with a visual editing interface rather than having to produce actual code. -- Yoz
From: peter (Peter da Silva) Date: 17:30 on 16 Mar 2004 Subject: Re: Visio > I was hoping to be able to do this with a visual editing interface > rather than having to produce actual code. I generally find myself hoping that I can avoid using a visual editing interface. :) But if you just want something that looks right, why not use Visual Studio or some other gui form builder for your language of choice, but not bother implementing any code? (eg: http://spectcl.sourceforge.net/ or http://vtcl.sourceforge.net/ )
From: Yoz Grahame Date: 17:44 on 16 Mar 2004 Subject: Re: Visio Peter da Silva wrote: > But if you just want something that looks right, why not use Visual Studio > or some other gui form builder for your language of choice, but not bother > implementing any code? Don't have VS. Tried Glade for Windows, couldn't get it to even begin behaving. All I need to do is produce some screenies to hand over to our Delphi guy to implement. (And yes, I thought about using the Delphi IDE, but Delphi guy said that that would be a bad idea for some reason. I trust him on these matters.) > (eg: http://spectcl.sourceforge.net/ or http://vtcl.sourceforge.net/ ) Second one looks okay, but what the hell is that first one up to? Looks like dodgy Win3.1 shareware. And both of them seem to demand that I think about packing and all that shit. I just want to place stuff on a static page and hand it over. -- Yoz
From: David Cantrell Date: 20:17 on 16 Mar 2004 Subject: Re: Visio Yoz Grahame wrote: > [stuff] ... I just want to place stuff on a > static page and hand it over. Have you tried pencil and paper?
From: Ann Barcomb Date: 17:17 on 16 Mar 2004 Subject: Re: Visio We use Visio at work. The panel takes up so much screen real estate, I've had to put in a request for a larger monitor or a better video card before I will even consider using that program again. So far this has had at least one desired effect...I haven't had to use Visio ;)
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